Thanks Jon, will get around to refixing my membership eventually. Some one mentioned GROVER tuning pegs in the discussion. I have a grover banjo (5-string) which I purchased in a back lane in deepest north London some 15 to 18 years ago . Did I buy a well regarded make? it cost something in the region of £300 if my memory serves me correctly. Yes I also have a book of tablature of Irish stuff by Jimmy Kelly (came with a small cassette) which is incorrect in many of its tunes, due to misprints I believe, but is nevertheless quite good. Kelly is , with Martin Cooney from co Kildare, one of the two best banjo exponents I've heard over here in Ireland.