Thank you Jed! That is what I was trying to say above. As to Guest: The Yank who called my comment about factory conditions in the north being as vile as the slave pens being fatuous and moronic. You are indeed entitled to your opinion. May I state first off, I no where condoned slavery. Moreever, I was speaking as to living conditions. I suggest for starters you read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle". Then search the public records concerning the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire. Just in case those haven't sparked some realization of what I was saying. Read an indepth history of the Johnstown flood. (You know, the one that happened because company bigwigs wanted a private fishing pond) You'll find that these big companies such as U.S.Steel, Remington Arms etc. gouged their workers so badly that many died of disease that could have been prevented had the company not been taking every last dime. There is a reason tradeunions are big business in the United States. Lastly, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you intentionally misspelled "America" and not make the assumption that you are stupid. In the future, I would hope that you would do the same but after reading your post I doubt you will. Your self righteous, oh so moral tone in no way hides the bigotry you feel toward the South. By the by, I am also a Yankee though I do hope our friends south of Mason- Dixon don't mistakenly group us together. Kindest reguards and to the rest of you, I apologise for my rant. Neil