Oh and Tyke, I should and will say sorry here as my missreading of your post (reading it as suggesting that a closed room had done much in the way of recruiting for Mudcat or Paltalk) set off the anger in this thread - no excuse for not reading but the sort of flag waving/intoduction was always one big reason for me favouring and in fact starting off the original MC Paltalk room as open.

I also guess Noreen is at least indirectly right in saying personal - it still hurts me that we tried to discuss the open/closed matter in an open way on several occasions and the concensus always came down on open - till the snug oipened (quite innoncently with good intentions from Dave/Nynia) where complaints about 2 rooms running concurrently caused a move to alternate without even discussion.

Kind of hard to take really and I flew - and there were rows - I still feel shit on by those who only voiced an opinion until that point. Guess I learned who my friends in MC really were then.

Oh well, not worried about winning or loosing - never even wanted control - I've found better (most of the time) things for me in Paltalk.

The biggest shame for MC and folk is the snug has mostly been operated on UK late night times whereas things used to run on much later with more willing admins availible who got out not because of difficulties in running open rooms but because of rows in MC, prefering one format to the other, finding new friends in other rooms, - a couple of bad handlings of situations by me (one in MC whith me missunderstanding Noreen and one regarding Jason - the stalker) didn't help the open song circle...

Jon