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Thread #35063   Message #476476
Posted By: Malcolm Douglas
04-Jun-01 - 10:14 PM
Thread Name: Lyr Add: Little Turtle Dove
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Little Turtle Dove
&TitleThis one is a lot more complicated than it might at first appear! What was your source? There are quite a few related songs here and at other sites, though the point at which shared stanzas actually demonstrate a connection between them is moot. These are worth looking at for purposes of comparison. In the DT:

TURTLE DOVE -no source named or tune given. Pretty much the same as the text that Natalie posted, though it lacks her final verse.

TURTLE DOVE (2) Not a traditional set, but the confection from Stephen Sedley's book The Seeds of Love (1967), the text of which is collated "from the set given to [Cecil] Sharp by Kitty Sorby, a late 18th-century garland (The True Lover's Farewell) and two Dorset texts collected by Hammond. The tune is a collation of two similar songs from Dorset in Hammond's manuscripts and is a good example of the song's most usual melody-type. Tune B is given by way of an appendix: it is a version of the Anglo-American music-hall burlesque song Mary Ann, dating from the 1850s, which may have been modelled on a traditional (Scots?) melody, and which was normally sung with two or three Turtle Dove stanzas plus gently comic verses." I quote Sedley's notes because the DT does not.

TEN THOUSAND MILES Noted by Cecil Sharp from Rosie Hensley in Carmen NC, in 1916: with tune.

THOUSAND MILE BLUES Set from Jean Ritchie, without tune.

HE'S GONE AWAY From Sandburg's American Songbag, with tune. No original source named.

THE STORMS ARE ON THE OCEAN -from the Carter Family, with tune.

MY LOVE IS LIKE A RED, RED ROSE Robert Burns; with tune.

RED ROSY BUSH From Frank Warner, collected from Lee Presnell, TN 1951. With tune.

MARY ANN Text and tune from Stephen Sedley, The Seeds of Love.

FARE THEE WELL MARIANNE "As sung by Mike Cross", whoever he might be. No original source named or tune given.

In the Forum:

10,000 miles song from Fly Away Home Includes partial and complete texts of The Unkind Parents (1690-96) and Mary Anne.

He's Gone Away (Slightly Different Words)

The Time Draws Near

ADD: My Dearest Dear Text from the Ritchie family?

The Blackest Crow: meaning? One unattributed text, plus text and tune as recorded by "Sweeney's Men", without provenance, together with a great deal of (very) irrelevant discussion.

There's probably more.

At The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music:

MY MARY ANN. THE YANKEE GIRLS SONG. Words credited to Barney Williams, music to M. Tyse. Published Baltimore, Henry McCaffrey, 1856.

At the Max Hunter Folk Song Collection:

Who Will Shoe My Foot As sung by May Kennedy McCord, Springfield, Missouri on October 21, 1960.
O, Who Will Shoe your Pretty Little Foot As sung by Mrs. Oliva Hauser, Fayettville, Arkansas on June 21, 1958.

At Lesley Nelson's Folk Music site:

The Little Turtle Dove Version collected by Cecil Sharp, presumably in Appalachia; with tune.
The True Lover's Farewell Collation by Cecil Sharp from several traditional English versions (100 English Folk Songs, 1916.

At the Traditional Ballad Index:

Who Will Shoe Your Pretty Little Foot
Storms Are on the Ocean, The (False True Lover, The True Lover's Farewell, Red Rosy Bush, Turtle Dove)
Lover's Lament, The
Fare You Well, My Own True Love
My Dearest Dear

Evidently we can go back to the late 17th century on this one; probably to England, though several different tunes are involved along the line, including the ubiquitous Gilderoy (more recently known as Star of the County Down). There's an argument that the verses that sometimes appear including "Who's going to shoe my pretty little foot" may indicate a connection to The Lass of Roch / Loch Royal (Lord Gregory), but that's probably a bit too tenuous to be proven.