I am a birhright Quaker. Thats to say I was born to Quaker parents. I have to ask Inobu where he finds complexity in the testimony? "We utterly deny all outward wars, or strife or fighting..." seems very simple to me.

A Friend of my meeting went out to Ireland to work with the quaker mission there some years ago. It was partly thanks to his efforts that the IRA agreed to "kneecap" instead of execute their enemies. possibly not a perfect solution but at least in the spirit of Quaker compromise.

It does not really matter what others think we represent or where they place us in the ecumenical heirarchy as it is our intent to see that of God within them despite all the barriers they put in our way.

Nice one IanC!