I think this thread shows Mudcat at its best--an honest discussion between thinking, caring people, regardless of their beliefs. Thanks for the hug, Leo; I was really hoping I wasn't offending you! Yes, Dani, I'll be happy to talk as long as folks are friendly & want to. I, as a believer, have been burned by hard-sell Christians & have no desire to be one, myself.bbc (packing tonight & leaving as soon as work allows on Friday) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO