Hell, Bert, I yearn for my old Osborne sometimes too. But if it's plain C_++ devel and compile you want you can do that as well on a Mac as anywhere else using modern environments like CodeWarrior. Including debuggers. Because a lot of the graphic elements were built into ROM in the 68xxxx Macs (I dunno if OS 9, OS X or the PPC architecture changed that at all) they had a reputation for being hard to manage technically; but I'veknown half a dozen Mac programmers who are quite content with the access. So I guess it depends on what you want.

And with OS X you have all the visibility of BSD UNIX including the whole vocabulary of utility commands, grep and (shudder) even vi if you wanted it, and you can push that boat around from the tailshaft if you need to that way! If you wanna promote yer geekiness, just fire up that command line and type in ps -ev!

Regards,A