Pelrad -thanks for your understanding. I don't have any lace-up shoes -I don't like them. I think I must be a spirited child too, did I tell you I can only sleep on the right hand side of the bed and that no matter what the circumstances -if I see a magpie I have to wave at it - Anyway, I used to think I was odd until I moved to Yorkshire where this type of thing is considered normal.