Thanks, I'll go and have a look. In 1997 I was in Buttermere for a weekend of walking and I met up with a load of traditional singers (shepherds, farmworkers etc) who were there for the later summer fair. I've not had such a good sing in years. At the end of the evening I was invited along to a pub (I think it was called the Farmer's Arms in Keswick) where there was going to be more singing. I couldn't go because I was staying in a youth hostel and had to be 'home' by 11pm. I regreted not going ever since!John