Thanks, deckman. I even have a vague recollection of having met a Mary Garvy or Garvey - way, way back when. But there seems to be no mgarvy on Mudcat. With your sterling encouragement, maybe I'll refresh a couple times more before giving up. Yeah, there are some really nitty gritty folks up in the Northwest. I kind of miss them down here in wimpy California. Mike was one of them. When I knew him, he had a sidekick named Nick - I don't recall the last name, but his nickname was Beat Nick. A contrast to Mike.