Yes I agree that I would find it totally unacceptable. But sadly the truth is (and like it or not) much of the trouble has been caused by the ordinary man in the street being prepared to put up with the killers on both sides of the divide. Also the fact that for many many years, Northern Ireland was never discussed openly by the British Parliament. Many newspapers only carried one side of the story and still in fact do. By the way to accuse me of having no sympathy for the murdered youth is insulting to me. I have every sympathy for the hundreds and indeed thousands who have been killed by one side or the other. The point I was making or trying to make is for God's sake when will the killing stop so that all people of no matter what denomination can feel safe. The latest news on TV give no reason for optimism. Using the forum for discussion helps by the way as there are very few such in which frank and open discussions can take place. Getting personal is no help. I have posted a fair amount of verse and songs btw.