No need for apologies at all, Jon. Thanks for the post and I'm sure your honesty will not alienate you with anyone - least of all me.

My turn to apologise now - sorry if you thought I was portraying anyone as "a grumpy old git or over-reacting when all I was trying to do was paint an honest picture of the night." I never would - especialy not to someone I had never met in a situation I did not have first hand experience of. And sorry that you felt you had to respond to an insult that was never intended. I am sure if everyone was as honest as you have been , particularly if these things were brought into the open in a face to face meeting over a pint or two of Syd's finest they would be sorted in a trice!

Long may the Jug continue to run and continue to be many things to many people.

To all concerend though. May I paraphrase an old adage. You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time. But you cannot... oh hell. You finish it!:-)

Cheers

DtG