Wullie, there is a balance and my basis for discussion is those who are for want of a better word up their own arses. The initial occassion as I've said the 'stars' were asked and declined then wanted to. The other side of the coin is when Keiron Goss was just sat in Fagans ,without a guitar and on 'a night off' ,at a sesh and was more than happy to play.