Jon,

Two hallmarks of dysfuctional group dynamics: fear of change and fear of outsiders.

The "problems with Mudcat" are only perceived by those who are NOT involved in the dysfunctional group dynamic. Those at the center of it are too busy unconsciously and blindly defending the dysfunctional status quo.

If the most boisterous and obnoxious dysfunctional group members bothers you to the point where you are suggesting a cure, you probably *should* give up on Mudcat. As demonstrated by their contempt/silence/collective yawn about your excellent offer to provide a Mudcat only forum for prayer threads, they are just too heavily invested in their group dynamic to change.