Agreed, Kimmers! I was told the same thing, AFTER I"d already had THREE kids.

Spaw, I understand. I feel the same way about my brother these days, he's basically a throwaway because that is what he has chosen. For the first time in 30 some years he went drinking and let his drunk friend drive his car and wrecked it. Stuff I thought we were through with years ago. For about the fourth time, he walked away from what should have been a fatal accident. His head hit the windshield hard enough to shatter it and leave a hunk of his hair in it. We all said about the same thing you and Karen did, at least no one else was hurt or killed. We've all given up because nothing we do is ever enough. It seems it is just a matter of time before he succeeds in doing himself in. And he had all the advantages the kids you speak of didn't, including a loving home and extremely good educatione, etc.

I hope they keep the baby away from the girl you mentioned and the cycle does get broken this time.

luvyadarlin'...kat