McGrath, weeeeel, as a timorous newcomer waaaaaaaaaaay back when ( I was 17 when I first stepped through the bevveled glass doors of a folk club) i understood exactly what newcomers went through. That's why with the 'Ogre"there was a policy towards non-pretenciousness. Also we had PAs, so that helped a lot. We don't need folk clubs here in Brazil as traditional music is a living thing out here, music is the lifeblood and it all loops back into the popular music. But I am currently teaching at an Americam EFL school and the theme this semester is Jazz, and they seem quite keen to set up a music club with the onus on american music so I'm dusting off my Dylan and Guthrie and some of dem dere blues.