This is not a response to the original post, but agree with guest Genie so strongly that I am repeating /his/her words here.

GENIE SAID... 'I don't understand why the English (and I do mean English - the Welsh, Scots and Irish all respect their traditions) seem to be the only country in the world who deride and ridicule their own traditions rather than trying to understand and cherish them.'

You hit the nail smack bang on the napper, Genie. curious isn't it? what are the best campaigns we can join to stamp out our embarrassment over English Traditions?

Cheers

deni