Kendall,in England it is illegal to fight back. If you try to defend yourself (or the elderly) you are in more trouble than the bloody criminals... I say defend your Constitution, and change nothing in it mate. There is a quote but I cannot remember who said it. "All it takes for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing" Anyway rest assured no-one attacks me or my friends and family with impunity *BFG*. That includes punks who attack old people, and unescorted ladies in my presence. Yours, Aye. Dave