Offhand I can't recall this, but there is a song Lord Derwentwater which may be related. I'll try to follow this up later, unless Malcolm Douglas gets in here first. PS As a guide to requesting lyrics etc it is generally more useful to put the title (or whatever you can remember from a song) in the thread title, that way there is more chance somebody will be able to respond with the answer you need. If its OK with you I'll ask for your thread request to be amended. PS Actually, on checking it out, your subject Lord Ellenwater looks as if it is right, but it has come up on the Forum as "Help: Hopeful" ?????

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Fixed it.
-Joe Offer-