The point I was making was that Nazi Geremany was a product of 20th century Western "Civilisation". It is a dramatic example of the clear truth that technological development does not necessarily lead to an advance in ethics.

Unfortunately it's just not true that "in the main, such events have been hundreds of years ago" - the 20th Century was the bloodiest on record, largely because of our advanced technology. In the same way the slave trade and chattel slavery, especiually in America, developed as it did because technology and economic mechanisms had developed to a level that that made it possible and profitable.

And it wasn't Nazi Germany's offensive behaviour towards its own citizens that led to its defeat in war. It was its mistake in starting wars against people who were in the end more powerful.

As for McGraths in Harlow - well there aren't that many of us, so I don't get the point.