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Thread #39060   Message #554742
Posted By: Troll
20-Sep-01 - 07:45 AM
Thread Name: Declaring War against terrorism
Subject: RE: Declaring War againt terrorism
Donuel, of course the statement was loaded. It was meant to be loaded. The point of it all was to point out that there are times when violence is not only indicated, but preferable:i.e., protecting a child.
It points out that non-violence at any price is not a viable philosophy and no amount of sophistry and "except for" will make it so.
It's simply a matter of how much you are willing to take before you will resort to violence.
For violence, read war, revenge, etc.
As I said in a previous post, read the Fatwa. To illustrate what I am talking about, here is a portion of the Fatwa issued in 1998.

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill- treated (and oppressed) -- women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty God said "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty God also says "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."

Almighty God also says "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."

I don't believe that there is a lot of ambiguity there. Whether or not we are at war withhim the man is surely at war with us and no amount of re-distribution of wealth is going to change that. His ulitmate goal -and he has so stated it- is nothing less than the conquest of the world for Islam.

troll