Jack the Sailor- Sorry, but I disagree with your accusations of DougR being a flamer on this thread. He's expressing his opinion, and most of his posts on this thread are good naturedly, (is that a word)? humorous in tone. I don't think his posts on this thread qualify as flaming. If they are, then opposing viewpoints are equally guilty. If your accusation is related to previous threads, then it doesn't belong here.
BTW, I more agree with you regarding the speech. I was more scared than inspired. We should all be scared shitless. I'm afraid that Shrub, Jr. is promising way more than our American society can deliver without leading to financial disaster and further loss of civil liberties.

But DougR didn't do anything wrong here, IMO. I usually disagree with him politically, and I admit I don't often argue with him, as I suspect you have. But I do value his perspective. Helps me keep things in order. Does that make me a flamer, too? Thanks, BlueJay