Dick, that is pretty much what I was saying in the other thread. The word is ugly, but it is real and used in the lexicons of several groups. I tire of folks that think that people of African descent would somehow not be smart enough to read the thread and see its intent. It smacks of the same paternalistic crap we see too often. True liberals and intellectuals would trust that folks, any folks, would not get hung up at the title and move on to the discussion. While I applaud friend Susans attempt to solve what she sees as an argument, it did nothing to answer the question being raised.