Do that bigchuck, no other chucks (sob). Thanks Jeri, so far I've struck out on both accounts messing up the dates for 2 nights but I'm back on track now (I think). Shame Kendall, I've done a wee bit of sailing, made a Pacific crossing under sail (& under 50') on a cutter, was a liveaboard, address, Lahina Roadstead, Maui. I'm pretty sure Neamanson was raised on a schooner, most of or all of Shipping news teach among other things schooner sailing to the kids at their school, on the school schooner. You'd know more about Gordon than I would & I can't speak for the rest but if I don't see & hear you there I'm gonna think that you're just taking the piss out of the rest of us & trying to pour some salt over our wounds (at least I'm sensitive & I know Brett is cause he's such a big teddy bear), now come on it ain't that far for ya & neither is the Fri press Room session. Be there or be square. It's also always nice to see you (watch it now I don't often talk so highly of those I really like). Barry