ummm...the last..AND most stable'real' version of Netscape is either 4.75 or 4.78...depending on your definition of 'stable'..AOL did NOT mess those up. What happens with Zone Alarm is related to how much you ask it to do....if you are a hacker who surfs the scariest parts of the WWW and dodges virtual bullets all day, ZA may get overworked and schitzy...most local folks don't have that problem. also "they still run in the background and block the connection" ...not if you configure then properly!!!! I have used ZA for about a year now, though I find that AtGuard does 90+% of what I need done...I am, however, considering taking out ZA and trying TINY.(see above)