Walrus - Thanks for that alternative Kipling site, you are probably correct Brooke never made it to Gallipoli. Though I would suggerst that he was as much of a victim as the ANZACs, or the Lancashire Fusilliers on th "River Clyde"

I would class Brooke as a War romantic, and the less said about the Armchair Patriots, poets and songwriters the better - And that goes for Ivor Novello as much as anybody.

Funny thing, well not so funny, is that in left wing circles Kipling is decried as a chauvenistic reacialist. I normally ask them if they have read any Kipling - The answer is usually NO!

Its too long to post and format but those in doubt should read McAndrews Hymn.

Gareth