Carol, I have read many of your ideas on how to approach this issue without military force. I agree with many of your assertions, however I still believe that force needs to be used at this time. Sanctions only produce more martyrs and sympithizers. We have formed a coalition of nations, while we did not negotiate the outing of Bin Ladin, we made it clear that he was to be turned over, or force would be used. I don't think anyone here has said "sit and do nothing". I think what has happened was something that occured very early on in this debate. Even yourself, Carol, just said we shouldn't rely on force, with no real alternative. It wasn't until I started asking, what would you have us do that the options started comming in. I think some people are just saying War is stupid war is killing people that are innocent so we should stop. ok... then what? when people leave the option blank it looks like it is do nothing. Just as to some, those of us who support the military action but did not say it should not be exclusively military, were considered dick-waving patriots. I think it is a matter of perspective, when we look at a side that disagrees with us, we want to see what ideas they have. When those ideas are not present, then it looks like it is exclusively one thing or the other.

A Friend, I am more than willing to enter into discussion. I am one of the hawks you assume bully the rest of the people around, I would like to know why such a sweeping comment would come from you. After all, you wished to enter into this discussion to find the diference between peace and anti-war. I am for peace, but I am also a hawk. It seems by your attitude that hawks are unable to desire peace. I don't know if it is because you cannot understand that sometimes, not all the time, not even a majority of the time, force must be used. I could come up with many examples, but I think you know them, if you take time to think a little. I suppose you have answered your original question. People for peace, are willing to use force. Anti-War is not. It doesn't mean they are not for peace, just that they eliminate military force as an option.