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Thread #392   Message #578464
Posted By: Lin in Kansas
23-Oct-01 - 09:48 PM
Thread Name: Lyr/Tune Req: Dere's Trouble in De Land
Subject: RE:
No luck finding "Dere's Trouble in De Land," but did find this info mentioned on this site:

"Rowan County Troubles," published in "Ballad Makin' in the Mountains of Kentucky," pp.1-9, by Jean Thomas, New York: Henry Holt, 1939, music arr. by Walter Kob.

Also, from Traditional Ballad Index:

"Rowan County Crew (Trouble, or Tragedy), The [Laws E20] DESCRIPTION: An account of the Tolliver-Martin feud, which the legal system is powerless to end. Casualties of the fighting include John Martin, Floyd Tolliver, Sol Bradley (an innocent bystander), and Deputy Sheriff Baumgartner; even this does not end the feud AUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1918 (Cox) KEYWORDS: feud death fight injury HISTORICAL REFERENCES: 1884 - Date of the Tolliver-Martin shootings FOUND IN: US(Ap,SE,So) REFERENCES (6 citations): Laws E20, "The Rowan County Crew (Trouble, or Tragedy)" Randolph 169, "The Rowan County Crew" (1 text, 1 tune) Combs/Wilgus 61, pp. 161-162, "The Tolliver Song" (1 text) JHCox 39, "A Tolliver-Martin Feud Song" (1 text) Botkin-AmFolklr, pp. 891-892, "Rowan County Troubles" (1 text, 1 tune) DT 703, ROWANCRW RECORDINGS: Dock Boggs, "Rowan County Crew" (on Boggs1, BoggsCD1) CROSS-REFERENCES: cf. "A West Virginia Feud Song" (theme, lyrics, metre) File: LE20"

You can get Jean Thomas's book at this site for (I presume it's dollars) $10.00.

"5508. Thomas, Jean. BALLAD MAKIN' IN THE MOUNTAINS OF KENTUCKY. New York: Oak Publications, 1964. 8vo. Very Good Originally published in 1939, this is the Oak reprint with musical examples, documentary photographs, 90 songs (including 23 with music) collected from traditional singers."

Don't know if any of this is helpful or not, but am posting in case someone else has more info.

Lin



Recent Ballad Index entry:

Rowan County Crew (Trouble, or Tragedy), The [Laws E20]

DESCRIPTION: An account of the Tolliver-Martin feud, which the legal system is powerless to end. Casualties of the fighting include John Martin, Floyd Tolliver, Sol Bradley (an innocent bystander), and Deputy Sheriff Baumgartner; even this does not end the feud
AUTHOR: James W. Day ("Jilson Setters")
EARLIEST DATE: 1918 (Cox)
KEYWORDS: feud death fight injury
HISTORICAL REFERENCES:
1884 - Date of the Tolliver-Martin shootings
FOUND IN: US(Ap,MW,SE,So,SW)
REFERENCES (13 citations):
Laws E20, "The Rowan County Crew (Trouble, or Tragedy)"
Thomas-Makin', pp. 5-9, "Rowan County Troubles" (1 text, 1 tune)
Thomas-Devil's, pp. 148-150, "The Rowan County Troubles" (1 text, 1 tune)
Randolph 169, "The Rowan County Crew" (1 text, 1 tune)
Lomax-Singing, pp. 324-326, "The Rowan County Crew" (1 text, 1 tune)
Combs/Wilgus 61, pp. 161-162, "The Tolliver Song" (1 text)
JHCox 39, "A Tolliver-Martin Feud Song" (1 text)
JHCoxIIB, #1A-C, pp. 111-118, "The Rowan County Crew" (2 texts plus a fragment, 2 tunes)
Peters, pp. 196-197, "Rowan County Trouble" (1 text, 1 tune)
Cohen-AFS1, pp. 257-258 "The Rowan County Crew" (1 text)
Botkin-AmFolklr, pp. 891-892, "Rowan County Troubles" (1 text, 1 tune)
Darling-NAS, pp. 194-195, "The Rowan County Crew" (1 text)
DT 703, ROWANCRW

Roud #465
RECORDINGS:
Dock Boggs, "Rowan County Crew" (on Boggs1, BoggsCD1)
Ted Chestnut [as Chesnut], "The Rowan County Feud" (Gennett 6513/Champion 15524 [as Cal Turner], 1928)
Robert L. Day, "The Rowan County Crew" (AFS, 1938; on KMM)

CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "A West Virginia Feud Song" (theme, lyrics, metre)
cf. "Death of Samuel Adams" (lyrics)
NOTES [64 words]: Jean Thomas, who knew both James W. Day (who had been in the area when the feud started) and Lucy (Mrs. John) Martin, has extensive notes about the arguments which led to this feud.
Interestingly, Thomas attributes this song to James W. Day, not "Jilson Setters," even though she always calls him "Setters" elsewhere. I can't even find a hint in Thomas that the two were the same. - RBW
Last updated in version 4.5
File: LE20

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