Interesting the way we get onto history here. I guess CatsCradle doesn't trust the US government to have learnt anything since it suspended the rights of Japanese-Americans in WW2, went after suspected Communists under McCarthy, or hammered on anti-war protesters during the Vietnam era. If you really think your elected representative would let all that happen again on his/her watch, then you're really elected a sorry bunch of assholes, haven't you? And then you think that no judge will do anything about it either? Alternatively, if you don't think that every government official is completely off their nut, you can live with it.

Please do remember that 11th Sept was a bolt out of a clear sky. No intelligence-gathering anywhere had picked it up. If you've got your own opinions on how intelligence-gathering could be improved, let's hear them. You've told us plenty about what you're against, but not word one about what you're for. This doesn't help your argument.

Graham.