I think in retrospect I have to agree with you Marty. The threads really aren't that similar. Lotsa good info here.

Heck, the first time I looked up that hill that led to the "white house" (where some fine workshops were held) I thought, 'maybe I'll camp out half way up'. After doing it seven or eight times, I was in great shape...even felt a bit like "Rocky" by the time I reached the top!

Rick