Spaw, have copied your receipt and will try. Here in the western Canada prairies, we can only grow crabapples from which we make excellent apple butter (western Canadians don't know what that is; it is not sold in the stores) but most people here just use the trees as ornamentals and let the fruit rot. Gareth, the only cider available here is pasturized piss that is also very expensive. There is nothing better than fermenting cider for what ails you.