DtG, a friend who was up on such things pointed out to me that in her words "the highest form of kosher is vegetarianism". I don't know about it being the highest form, but it cuts down on inadvertent mistakes, and dishes to wash.
'Spaw, I'm with you. I lived in New York State long enough to know that a proper bagel needs to be boiled before it's baked. These cakey things they have around here are not anywhere near the right consistency; I'm not ready to gum my bagels yet! And what about every #$%^ place that sells a sandwich calling it a delicatessen? Everybody knows a proper deli serves cole slaw in the sandwich! (rant, snort) (You know the definition of a real New York deli? If somebody comes in wearing a mask and demands all the money in the cash register, the employee asks,"Is this to go?")