The hole in a bagel should be so small that a baby's littlest finger won't fit through it. And as far as the designer flavors that someone above mentioned, I recently came across another abomination: designer cream cheese - blueberry, raspberry, every other fruit and CHOCOLATE for Pete's sake. Cream cheese, like bagels need to be left alone. These were probably invented by the same infidels who put cauliflower and brocoli on pizza.