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Thread #42108   Message #611747
Posted By: GUEST,prudentius
17-Dec-01 - 02:22 PM
Thread Name: Lyr Req: Amazing Grace 'disrobed' stanza
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amazing Grace 'disrobed' stanza
Just to add a couple of comments: Early on in the thread someone implied that the quatrain "We lay our garments by" was sung as part of "Amazing grace" in Bill Moyers' documentary. Then the meter question arose. Amazing grace" is Common Meter (8686). "The day is past and gone" is Short Meter (6686). In the old days, any precentor or "chorister" would know the difference. But these are not the old days. I have been to churches where only one or two tunes are still lined out, and congregations are expected to adapt the tune to hymns of a different meter, with results the old-timers would call comical or disgraceful. "The day is past and gone" (from which the "disrobe" verse comes, is known in ornamented versions that resemble the short-meter tune IDUMEA. Alan Lomaz collected such a version in solo performance from a female singer (was it Vera Hall?), but it could easily be sung with lining out. "The day is past and gone" is by Leland, as Masato writes. Someone noted that Billups' Sweet Songster attributes it to Dupuys, who was the compiler of a campmeeting songster (wordbook), from which Billups presumably got it. The fuging-tune EVENING-SHADE is by Stephen Jenks, but it is not a "shortened version" of his own MOUNT-VERNON, as Masato states. Finally, the "When we've been there" verse never made a bit of sense to me in "Amazing grace." Where? Lots of hymns end with verses about heaven, but not this one. In fact, it has been shown that "When we've been there" was part of many 18-19c versions of "Jerusalem my happy home," where the verse fits in perfectly in a discussion of the heavenly city! It wasn't added to "Amazing grace" until around 1900, by an unknown person, in a lapse of both logic and taste.