I'm just an old fossil I guess. While I dont believe in beating kids, I do believe in making them mind. There are other ways, and one of them is to teach them respect. I never licked my kids, never had to because they knew I would if they pushed me far enough. Consequently, they grew up not fearing me, but, respecting me. Uncle J. as a matter of fact, I did have a colonoscopy. That was a real pain in the ass. Not to mention having my large intestines shown on a monitor screen for the whole unit to see.