If nothing else, the thread eventually wound it's way around to Richard's posting which seems to be the most likely dog (and some of the similar breeds) that shpherds in that part of the world may have used. It also has tended to confirm the differesnces between herding and guarding with herding coming along at a much later date. If I were writing your book, I'd suggest the Akbash to your illustrator anyway.

Yeah, it ain't folk music, but find me too many other places where this kinda' stuff happens..........

Spaw