Ron, giving gifts is not tied to religion for me, and I suspect Mrrzy as well. I grew up with the traditions of Christmas. Those traditions have, for me, become the reasons for the celebration, and not the results. It's a day to rejoice being with loved ones during the coldest, darkest time of year.

It was clear to me (I think) what Mrrzy was actually asking. If I cared to look for motives, I probably could have imagined enough so I wouldn't question them. I doubt I'd do so anyway, since it usually results in an argument having nothing to do with the questions asked by the starter of the thread. If an explanation of motives helps in answering the question, no problem. In any case, I think we just have different ways of looking at "holiday" celebrations.