thanks to all you kind people who replied to my UNWELCOME GUEST query. i read them all up to number 39 but then my ntl cabletv setup says the thread is too long?fat?full? for me to access. so what you are all writing now i cant read ,much as i would love to.perhaps anyone else with anything to say could put it here. sorry i dont know the right computer-speak happy pancakes to one and all greg