Thanks Kitty, but I was talking about BRIAN & Ruth BRITAIN of ENGLISH TAPESTRY - they came from Cambridge. You're talking about Dave ("The Singing Penguin" we used to call him) and Ruth COOPER who now live in Nottingham. Back in the late 60's and early 70's, they used to live down here and run Catford Folk Club. I don't think they'd mind me saying that Brian & Ruth were in a complete different league to them.