oooops. no thanks, GUEST, i dont think i'll go to hell, or hopefully not in the immediate future. actually,old chap, i'm very interested in palindromic dates, mathematical curiosities etc etc, which is why i was reading the thread in the first place. i just mildly pointed out that this diversion was distracting me from morepressing business, viz finding out what tim and siobhan are up to. and many thanks to skipjack KB for filling me in. so janet's still got the hots for tim and doing a runner? i always thought this lady vicar malarkey would end in tears