Well, excuse a little thread creep, but I have to point out 2/3s of the examples you present went to Fiorello Lagurardia Highschool for Music and Art and Performing Arts, Susanne Vega, Performing Arts, Janis Ian (expelled I believe) from Music & Art. Bloody proud of 'em, Larry Otway (Music & Art). Should also point out, around the time Janice Ian was at MA, just after, my old pal Dave Krackhour of the Klesmatics was there, as was Bela Fleck, who was a bit younger than us, but would hang with us folkies, and was a damn nice kid. Still waiting for my one hit... Larry