well, mcgrath from h, just maybe it could be a folk song from day one, but surely not from minute one. there's got to be some sort of process hasn't there, even if its only five minutes for the creator to sing it and for the people present to assess what they thought of it and where to place it in their cultural framework. or do you feel there is a sort of platonic ideal for a traditional folk song completely divorced from the people who make/ perform/listen to it?