So far only one person has made an informed comment here. Coyote Breath has been around these guys. So have I. I first met the Pagans in 1971 - I wasn't impressed then and probably wouldn't be now. I went to Angel's Camp in 1973 but the BATF had just busted the Angels for weapons and drugs so the camp was canceled.

I think that most of us who started or joined outlaw bike clubs did so out of a need to belong. Viet Nam left a lot of us feeling a bit separated from society and bike clubs was a continuance of the brotherhood we had participated in during the war. The Hell's Angels started the same way. Many of the clubs did and gradually evolved into something else.

As far as killing each other - who knows - the Pagans have always been an "over the line" (in my opinion) club. They have for the most part been outlaws in the far realms of reality. 1% ers are not the norm - but they exist and they take their "code" seriously. A minor infraction can get one killed or left for the ER technicians to try to put back together.

I don't know about natural selection - but encounters with these guys is always serious. Always.

Steve