Hey, guys. i've been there and i'm going to make a reluctant comment. Belonged to a HAMC affiliate club for a number of years. Didn't choose to be an Angel cause i didn't want to devote my life to it. That's what it takes. You're an Angel first, everything else second. They're the good guys here. From what i've seen of some other clubs i'd probably want to shoot some myself. I'm not going to start naming names but there are good people in every club and bad ones too. It's just that some clubs seem to attract and encourage membership by a disproportionate number of bad ones. Don't know any Pagans personally but i believe they fall under this category. Until you've been there and know what you're talking about, it's a good idea to keep your mouth shut while you still have some teeth in it.