Kat, I tried to refresh the Mudcat crash threads but couldn't--but they're easy to access. Just click on Mudcat Help in the links at the top of the threads list, go to 365 days in the time box and scroll down to November 9 and 10--the threads are titled Dead 'Cat Blues and What's Going On Now?. I'm also going to try to refresh a related thread on the regular threads list, Missing Mudcat Blues and if I can't, I'll refresh Some Shameless Self-Promotion--seed. --seed