One last thought DougR, my friend, about media: CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, et al are all owned by the ruling class and are marching in line. They have to know what is going on but either wish not to report it or are intimidated. So we liberals have been getting a steady diet of state controlled information. We don't have to check in with Rush or Mike, thank you.

Now, what if a couple hundred thousands Afgans starved because of US policies, Doug, but you don't find out about it until, say, 6 months from now. Will you have a rationalization crafted in place to blame the "liberals"?