Well, WYSTWYG, that was kind of what I meant in the first place. I've been thru couseling, and DougR et al probably think it didn't take, but it is a slow process at best. Now, Ol' Doc Phil just comes riding into Dodge with his guns a blazin' and fixes everyone on the spot. Okay, I'll admit that I've only seen him twice and left in the the middle of both shows. But my wife tapes 'em every week and watchs them religiously. Now I'm pretty good with impersinations and when I do Doc Phil the P-Vine tells me to behave or go play with my guitar. Hmmmm? Tough choice there. Well, last night they had some poor ol' preacherman who had been caught by his wife with Suzie Creamcheeze and he was lookin' real repentant and all but I could tell by the way he didn't quite make eye contact with Doc Phil that the good reverand was proably still foolin' around. I pointed that out to the P-Vine and got sent to the guitar room. And just how far can a theapist get with "get real" and "does it work for you". I'm sorry, but I think guys like Doc Phil can in some cases hurt people more than he can help them. I know, I know.... I'll go play my guitar now.