I just devoured the whole thread in on huge gulp, and like a shmorgasbord, it had some nice delicacies and some items to make you puke. What amazed me in the long discussion of prayer in schools on the one hand, and of guns on the other, is that I'm the first one to relate both to the Taliban. I'm sure you all know that 'Taliban' means students, and that the government of Afghanistan rose from the religious schools in Pakistan, where no one learned anything except how to pray, and perhaps how to shootan AK-47! As an atheistic anti-gun partisan myself, I can sometimes understand some NRA points and their gun safety programs -- BUT how in the world can anyone justify their indicrimainate defense of the right to bear arms that include assault rifles, anti-tank rockets, and probably intercontinental ballisric missiles. How big a paper target do you need for those 'sporting' weapons?