Judy; I should be the one to apologize. I assumed I was clarifying my tricks as it were rather than stepping on your ideas. And by the way, I didn't think you were impolite or short with me. Kat and everybody; Thanks for the great suggestions, It's threads like this that continually prove what great people mudcatters are. Kindest regards and happy holidays be it Easter, Passover or what ever local holiday you might be celebrating Peace to all, Neil