Sharon, I'd love to think you were right! maybe I am just getting a bit cynical in my old age! I don't mind paying, I'd just like to get a little something for it! Just seemed a little unfair, hope I havent ranted too much! Going to bed now, just past midnight here, sweet dreams all,catch others views in the morning! Perhaps we could organise a Mudcat Musical Youth thing.... At least adults would expect there to be kids there, and perhaps we could keep costs to a minimum!!! any thoughts?